An Astrological Dialogue
Werner Popp:
Mr. Odendahl, it is a pleasure to get to know you personally. Mr. Lehrieder, my astrological teacher, whom I greatly appreciate and revere, has always reported with visible joy and great pride in our meetings and our discussions about the multinationals that his grandson, Christoph Odendahl, is following in his footsteps and devoting himself intensively to the study of the multinationals. So you have embraced a responsible legacy. How do you intend to deal with your grandfather's legacy?
Christoph Odendahl:
I have been actively involved in my grandfather's research work for a long time, holding lectures and seminars on the Multiple Directorate Methods with him and without him. For example, most recently in Stuttgart on the occasion of the conference of the "Cosmobiological Academy Aalen". Elaborated manuscripts are available for this and further research. Furthermore, a new homepage has been created in cooperation with Mr. Lehrieder, which shows all subject-specific information and current case studies and makes them accessible to anyone interested. In your article about teaching multinationals in comparison with/in relation to the harmonics and developmental psychology, you go too far in my opinion, dilute the importance of multinationals and make their evaluation and understanding more difficult. In doing so, you complicate matters and could confuse interested parties.
Werner Popp:
For me, it was extraordinarily enlightening to recognize the role of the harmonics as static intermediate points of the Multi 2 and to make the connection in the calculation method clear and comprehensible. It's like a movie and the (integer) harmonics form the rungs of a ladder of the continuous Multi 2. They are created by multiplying by or dividing (dividing) in a circle by the integers. The Multi 2 show the continuous (additive) way in which the radix dynamically "moves and develops" towards the respective harmonic.
Christoph Odendahl:
But this may distract from the clarity of the aspect structure with regard to concrete event times, shifting their center of gravity and reducing their precise significance!
Werner Popp:
That was by no means my intention. Rather, I recognized the importance of the "birthday multis" as integer harmonics and as relevant to child developmental psychology. This is how I found the heuristic approach for a new way of looking at developmental psychology that can perhaps even be continued beyond childhood. In addition to their significance as ongoing prognostic factors on the respective birthday (analogous to the principle of solar), the "milestones" of the Multi 2 could thus gain additional weight as a topic for the past or forthcoming, coming years of life – at least in childhood, perhaps also for the further, later years. Strong and (me) convincing indication of this is the highly interesting plausibility of the first seven or 10 years with Sun... to Saturn, Uranus, possibly even to Neptune, Pluto within the framework of the developmental psychological theories of psychologists. You just have to be willing to switch from vertical to horizontal or vice versa, as is often required by astrology. (Cf. book: "The Vertical World View").
Christoph Odendahl:
It seems to me that you could possibly diminish the actual significance and possibilities of the multinationals of Lehrieder by these interpretations, if you reduce his discovery and development to this very imprecise way of looking at phases of life over time, which is very inaccurate compared to the precision of the multinationals.
Werner Popp:
My intention should be understood differently: My approach places the multinationals within the framework of familiar and well-known astrological methods, offers new explanations for the validity of at least the Multi 2. The principles of harmonics, analogy to solars as well as cyclical approaches and correlations make the multinationals more acceptable to astrological skeptics and establish a new theoretical/methodological background for their deductive, theoretical explanation and plausibility.
Christoph Odendahl:
I think I can see from your remarks that you accept the first time of the Multiple Directorates and thus Lehrieder's scientific achievement only to a limited extent.
Werner Popp:
By no means. Rather, I admire the foundational work of my astrological teacher and place him in the same league as groundbreaking modern, contemporary astrologers such as Robert Hand (Combin and Composite, decimal number harmonics), Heinz Specht (GOH houses, erroneously referred to as Dr. Koch houses), Kühr's and Kündig's as well as Martin Freeman's methods of direction, etc. Rupert Sheldrake, by the way, proved that new behaviors and ingenious new research approaches are often "in the air" about the function of his "morphogenetic fields". Important scientific findings and upheavals are often found simultaneously and completely independently of each other by distant "discoverers" who are strangers to each other. Here, Robert Hand with decimal number harmonics (= Multi 2) and Martin Freeman with his approach of decimal number harmonics (= Multi 2) as a forecasting method (with the small, correctable blemish of +1) have provided partial results of Lehrieder's much more comprehensive and consistent approach in parallel and without each other's knowledge, we just have to recognize them and merge them. In doing so, they have advanced our understanding, made it possible for us to comprehend our thoughts and prepared explanatory approaches without knowing or intending it. In any case, my willingness to deal with and engage with the multinationals has been greatly encouraged by this. In your opinion, where do you think the trend towards multinationals is heading? What are your intentions for the future and which sub-areas do you focus on? Where do you want to focus your work? I see the danger of dogmatic hardening and rigidity if one clings relentlessly and restrictively to the previous findings and points of view of Stephan Lehrieder. Or is there a further development?
Christoph Odendahl:
The starting point is primarily my grandfather's findings and justifications, which were originally based on intensive research into the correlations of the lottery numbers in order to be able to provide objective, unequivocal and ultimately scientifically tenable evidence for the correctness and functionality of astrology. My grandfather did not consider his research to be complete. On the contrary, he has always vehemently advocated that they should be handled flexibly and that further possible applications of the multinationals should be pursued and expanded, as well as that verifiable justifications should be collected for their corroboration. We are probably still only at the beginning of extensive research and can continuously gather new insights from our investigations. It is also quite conceivable to add further possibilities to the 5 previous variants of the multiple directorates, because in my opinion every logically justifiable modification with regard to the multiplication factors deserves a critical examination.
Werner Popp:
In my contributions to the multinationals (in this MERIDIAN and in the first article in 1993) I try to establish a quasi-philosophical, humanistic or even scientific-theoretical justification through the connection with astrological axioms, premises and methods. (This is not always to be presented and formulated in very simple words.) As a practitioner, how do you feel about such attempts and intentions? Do you see this as helpful for your practical work and for convincing potential prospects and users, or as counterproductive, as it may be confusing and complicated for some minds? I think her grandfather was a bit ambivalent about this.
Christoph Odendahl:
Like my grandfather before me, I consider it important, indeed indispensable, to formulate scientific and humanistic starting points and justifications for multinationals and astrology in general, in addition to the indispensable practical observation.
Because without the efforts for a logical-rational penetration of the astrological functions, the desired classification as a recognized science will continue to be denied. Here, the value-exact method of the multiple directorates offers a new, promising opportunity to counter the existing challenges with meaningful and mathematically verifiable arguments.
The approach you advocate of a multi-layered, synthesis-oriented and interdisciplinary approach therefore corresponds to my own ideas, and I also consider this to be unavoidable with regard to further insights.
